"She did. You have a problem with that?" The look he's giving alongside his crossed arms is a clear sign that if Ben does have a problem with it, then Shawn's going to slam the door in his face.

"If it's not a cult, then what is it? One of my grandmother's fantasies that went so wrong that my mom cut off all contact with her?" Yeah, he's not going to be an easy one to convince. Good luck there buddy. "Terrible's a bit of an understatement."